Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: guns-OT

[Elizabeth Stevenson (tamgoddess]

Please take this off-list! I don't think anyone else wants to hear this. I'm
sure they'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Liz

> From: Matt Lawrence <matt [at] technoronin.com>
> Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:37:59 -0500 (CDT)
> To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
> Subject: Re: [C-L]_guns-OT
> 
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Elizabeth Stevenson wrote:
> 
>> Plenty an honest, law-abiding citizen has come home to a child with his head
>> blown off. Gun owners can be many things, but stupidity is something that
>> gets people with guns in the house killed, whereas stupid people without
>> guns are less likely to die of gunshot wounds. Many people who get shot are
>> shot by a member of their own household.
> 
> Children also die by various other means in insufficiently childproofed
> homes.  Swimming pools are far more dangerous on a per-capita basis.
> Safety training is important when dealing with any dangerous tools, you
> should hear me lecture friends who come to work in my woodworking shop.
> 
>> A student of mine was in a funk this week, because her 80yo mother-in-law
>> was just killed by someone who thought he saw a coyote on his property.
> 
> It would be interesting to know the details.  There aren't a lot of places
> where shooting a gun in a populated area is legal.
> 
>> And of all the men who have killed their wives and children, I think pretty
>> much 100% of them did it with guns.
> 
> That sounds like media hype to me.
> 
>> I don't particularly want to get into a gun owning argument with anyone,
>> because it's not the sort of thing that people tend to change their minds
>> about. But if you think that somehow it makes no difference whether or not
>> you have a gun in your house as far as your long-term chances of survival,
>> you're dead wrong.
> 
> You might want to check the various statistics.
> 
>> As for rational and logical, I think that's in the eye of the beholder. I
>> don't think it's in any way rational to own a gun. If most of your friends
>> who own guns are more rational than the ones who don't, it says more about
>> your opinion than about your friends.
> 
> I suppose there are a lot of hunters who would disagree and I know there
> are a lot of people who do target, skeet and trap shooting who would
> disagree.  There are also a few Olympic events that use guns.
> 
>> To be fair, I guess I have started an argument. I am happy to take this
>> off-list if others don't think it's appropriate here. I won't post again.
> 
> I suspect you have started an argument.  It sounds like to me that you are
> parrotting various media positions without having actually studied the
> statistics.
> 
> -- Matt
> 
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