The cost of housing, and therefore cohousing | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Chris ScottHanson (chris![]() |
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:18:51 -0800 (PST) |
Housing costs money. Cohousing is no different.I have been an advocate of affordable housing since the late '70s, and the issues have not changed, at all. (in my comments below, co/housing = cohousing or housing, either one)
SIZE FACTOR - How much space to you really need?The largest factor in the cost of housing is the size. How much house to you need? How much do you want? And how much can you afford? These questions must be answered and then reconciled, honestly, to achieve affordable housing. In the US, the average person lives in something like 450 sf of space, per person. (This a an estimate on my part from my experience, and subject to verification with broader data. Can anyone contribute an accurate number here.) In the rest of the world, I understand that this average is something like 173 sf per person.
Example - In Vancouver BC, during the mid-90's the hottest housing product was the 350 sf one bedroom unit in a downtown high rise. Thousands of these units sold to happy customers, normally professional couples from HK who where moving to Canada.
HIGH DEMAND LOCATIONSNew construction costs more money in places of high demand for housing, place where lots of people would like to live. Boston, NY and San Francisco come to mind. The RS Means Construction Cost Index indicates that the cost of construction in NYC is about 35% above the national average, in Boston costs are about 15% above the national average, in Atlanta they are about 10% below the national average, and in Charlotte they are about 25% BELOW the national average.
LAND FACTOR, and LOCATIONThe land factor, while not as big a factor as some might think, is a factor in the cost of co/housing. It generally runs about 15% of the cost of new co/housing, but can run all the way from less than 10% to as much as 40% or more in the bigger, high demand cities. At WInslow it was 11.5% and in Jamaica Plain it will end up being about 26%.
Land that is on the existing utility grid is less expensive to develop than land that is not. Cheaper land in the country can be very costly to develop, and operational costs go up as well. (more cars required, etc.)
OPERATIONAL COSTSThe cost of new construction is mitigated to some degree by the potential savings in operating costs. Higher energy efficiency is the most obvious factor. However, one should not overlook the cost of owning a car. I understand that a car costs an average of about $500 per month to own. If you live where you need fewer cars, you can obviously afford more house. Transit Oriented Development is an important part of the environmental movement for this reason.
RENT OR OWNRental co/housing is normally cheaper in the short run than ownership co/housing, but this is only true in the very short run. Taxes and interest deductions make it cheaper to own housing than to rent if you are going to stay in one place for any length of time. The hurdle to ownership is of course the savings necessary for a down payment.
CUSTOM vs. PRODUCTION CO/HOUSINGCustom, one off, personalized co/housing is more costly than production co/housing. Imagine the cost of a custom car, or a custom made dining room table. Its the same thing with housing. Let me build you production housing and I can build it today at a cost of approximately $65 per square foot (building construction only) adjusting that number by the Construction Cost Index for location.
SELF HELP and SWEAT EQUITYIts counter-intuitive, but it actually does cost more to do it yourself, 95% of the time.
CHOICEThe solution to the affordable housing issue is about making choices. If you want to live in a 1200 sf unit in Boston, it will cost you about $350,000 in a not-for-profit cohousing project in the JP neighborhood, or about $550,000 in a high demand location like Davis Square. (The latter project is being built by a developer who is making a profit.) In other parts of the country, I can build you that same 1200 sf unit today as production housing for well under $200,000 if you can find a job there, and if you are willing to live there.
In Boston, you can live in a new cohousing home today for $200,000 if you are willing to limit yourself to 546 sf. In Charlotte, NC, a small production unit in a large (theoretical) project of 350 square feet units (large enough for two people for most of the rest of the world) will run you about $35,000.
Its about choice, in my opinion. My first cohousing home cost me $58,000 and it was just under 500 sf.
I hope this helps with perspective. Chris ScottHanson On Nov 16, 2004, at 8:00 AM, Fred H Olson wrote:
Stepping our of my list manager role... While most of his points are way off, one is close enough to warrant comment.2) cohousing in america is elitist - originally an idea from denmark, the american version of cohousing is only available to the top 10% of income earners in america - methodically excluding people of color and the homeless.The cost of cohousing is a problem. While there are some opportunitiesfor people of limited income, I think they are relatively few. Of coursethe cost of housing in the US is a problem generally. I don't know whatpercentage of the US population could afford to spend 30% of it's incometo live in the median priced cohousing unit, but I suspect it is higherthan 10%. Anyone capable of coming up with this (or similar) statistic?Raines, could we come up with the median price of a cohousing unit in the US? I encourage people to keep posting examples of relatively affordable cohousing...
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