Re: Consequences ? | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Sharon Villines (sharon![]() |
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 17:06:34 -0700 (PDT) |
> On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:00 AM, Ted Rau <ted [at] sociocracyforall.org> wrote: > > I think there are two different cases here. One I'll call noise. The other > is recurring behavior. I think this is an interesting distinction. When is it just noise or too much noise, and when is it a specific behavior that is violating community agreements — governance and policy issues. Like the dishes sitting around, is it noise or is it purposeful disrespect? Or disagreement? We probably try to solve a lot of noise issues by making rules that just make more noise because then the “enforcement” of the rules is added to the noise. On the issue of consequences, I have come as full circle on consequences as I have on workshare. In workshare, I have come to value most highly the work that can’t be measured in hours. Assuming responsibility and developing plans or programs are vital to everyone. They up the quality of life. This is the kind of work that is not quantifiable. The demand that hours be recorded is not effective when you are asking for commitment and self-organization. It is disincentivizing. I think consequences do the same thing to behavior. I’ve given up on the idea that a policy is not a policy unless it has consequences. A policy is a community agreement about how everyone expects things to be done and why. But a policy can only apply to predictable circumstances. Not everything is predictable. So what we really need is not consequences but an agreement about how to ask or request an exception, or completely review the policy. With a process for handling unexpected situations, there is flexibility and no one needs to violate the policy. If people are violating policies, the policies need to be reviewed. Policies establish a social order but that order has to fit everyone, one way or another. Years ago Paul Hawken wrote a wonderful little book on starting a business, “Growing a Business." It accompanied a PBS series on innovative “new age" businesses. I had never understood what a business plan was or could do before I read this book. Hawken said that the business plan is an exercise in figuring out how to grow a business. You have to address all the components and then you have a plan. But just as you have the whole thing figured out, it is time to reevaluate based on new information. It grows and things change. Revise and keep going. The book was published in 1988, Growing a Business. It is still in print. https://amzn.to/3rp9cVg I think policies are the same way. They help a group develop a context, a social order, but then they have to grow with circumstances. If the only alternative to a policy is punishment, what kind of social order is being grown? Sharon ---- Sharon Villines Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC http://www.takomavillage.org
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