Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: We are soon making the decision to bring or not bring gas to the community

[Andrew Harvie (withanie]

At Treehouse Village, we were going to install a 36 inch range and 36 inch
vent until we started pricing them.
Turns out that it's cheaper to install two 30" ranges and two 30" vents
(with enough space between them so that cooks don't collide).

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 6:22 PM Joel Bartlett <altairecovillage [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Could you advise us as to the brand and model number of the induction stove
> you plan on using?  We want a commercial kitchen; larger scale than
> residential.
>
> Thanks, Joel Bartlett
> Project Manager for the Members
> Altair EcoVillage
> www.altairecovillage.org
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 5:15 AM Jim Snyder-Grant <
> jim.snyder.grant [at] gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, avoiding gas is a great win for health and the environment.
> > Our commonhouse has two induction stoves (with convection ovens). It does
> > everything we need for cooking. Heat is fast and controlled: boiling big
> > pots of water is especially great, and keeping things warm.
> >
> > -Jim, New View Cohousing, Acton MA.
> > (I don't usually monitor this list, so contact me directly with
> follow-ups)
> >
> > Jim Snyder-Grant
> > (he / him / his) why?
> > <
> >
> https://assets2.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/TalkingAboutPronouns_onesheet_FINAL.pdf
> > >
> > 18 Half Moon Hill
> > Acton MA 01720
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:21 AM Joanie Connors <jvcphd [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Why experts are sounding the alarm about the hidden dangers of gas
> stoves
> > > By Jonathan Mingle <https://qz.com/author/jonathan-mingle/>
> > > December 4, 2020
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://qz.com/1941254/experts-are-sounding-the-alarm-about-the-dangers-of-gas-stoves/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
> > >
> > > "...While many Americans might think illness linked to indoor cooking
> and
> > > heating is a problem confined to smoke-filled kitchens in the
> developing
> > > world
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/07/guatemala-cook-stoves/
> > > >,
> > > the natural gas-burning stoves and furnaces found in millions of US
> > > kitchens and basements can produce a range of health-damaging
> pollutants,
> > > including particulate matter (PM), nitrogen dioxide (NO2), carbon
> > monoxide
> > > (CO), and formaldehyde. Over the past four decades, researchers have
> > > amassed a large body of scientific evidence linking the use of gas
> > > appliances, especially for cooking, with a higher risk of a range of
> > > respiratory problems and illnesses.
> > >
> > > Since the publication of two new reports on the subject from the
> > nonprofit
> > > research group the Rocky Mountain Institute
> > > <https://rmi.org/insight/gas-stoves-pollution-health/> (RMI) and the
> > UCLA
> > > Fielding School of Public Health
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://coeh.ph.ucla.edu/effects-residential-gas-appliances-indoor-and-outdoor-air-quality-and-public-health-california
> > > >,
> > > this past spring, the existence of these gas-fired health hazards has
> > > garnered increasing
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://grist.org/energy/study-gas-powered-appliances-may-be-hazardous-for-your-health/
> > > >
> > > media
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602/gas-stove-cooking-indoor-air-pollution-health-risks
> > > >
> > > scrutiny
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/10/gas-stoves-are-bad-you-and-environment/616700/
> > > >.
> > > But less discussed has been how the Covid-19 pandemic has compounded
> the
> > > risks of this pollution, especially for low-income and vulnerable
> > > populations, and how key regulatory agencies have lagged decades behind
> > the
> > > science in acting to protect them.
> > >
> > > “There’s no question this has been a neglected issue,” said Jones, who
> > has
> > > drawn on lessons from his long career in public health epidemiology and
> > > disease prevention in sounding the alarm throughout Massachusetts and
> > with
> > > former CDC colleagues over the past few years. The first step, he said,
> > is
> > > “letting people know what the risks are—particularly when they can be
> > > substantial, life-threatening risks that can kill kids.”
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:32 PM Henning Mortensen <
> hmortensen [at] gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you for the book report Sharon. I have ordered it from amazon
> and
> > > > look forward to reading it. I am a longtime follower of carfree.com
> > (no
> > > > longer exists) and the carfree movement. Especially the ideas for car
> > > free
> > > > cities such as that developed by Joel Crawford.
> > > > Henning Mortensen
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sharon Villines via Cohousing-L <
> > > > cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Jenny Guy <jenstermeister [at] 
> > > > > > gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Here's something else I wonder about: our buildings have been
> here
> > > for
> > > > 80
> > > > > > years without air conditioning. [snip] When I was a kid, it was
> > > > > unthinkable that anyone
> > > > > > would have air conditioning in San Francisco, but now it's full
> > > > >
> > > > > Pollution. Air pollution. Noise pollution. Not just from exhausts,
> > from
> > > > > all the activity that keeps the “cement dust” moving. Changes in
> > > planting
> > > > > for the convenience of cleaners but produce higher pollution.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuff like that.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it also has to do with higher stress levels. Or ambition.
> We
> > > put
> > > > > in AC so we can work harder and faster even when it is 100 degrees
> > out
> > > > > there. We don’t have to get up early to avoid the heat. We don’t
> take
> > > > > siestas.
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the book reports I haven’t written is on “Carjacked: The
> > Culture
> > > > of
> > > > > the Automobile and Its Effect on Our Lives,” It is cowritten by a
> > > > professor
> > > > > of Anthropology and International Studies at Brown University and
> her
> > > > > analysis is from a totally different direction than we usually
> hear.
> > > She
> > > > > examines how expectations of children have been changed. It isn’t
> > just
> > > > that
> > > > > cars made more activities available but we expect kids to "take
> > > > advantage"
> > > > > of all those activities. I used to sit in a big elm tree and read
> > books
> > > > for
> > > > > hours. How many parents worry about children who don’t have any
> > > > > “activities" this week?
> > > > >
> > > > > Carjacked shows how our lives have changed without our being aware
> of
> > > it
> > > > > once we have a car.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sharon
> > > > > ———
> > > > > Sharon Villines
> > > > > http://affordablecohousing.com
> > > > > affordablecohousing [at] groups.io
> > > > >
> > > > >
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