Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: We are soon making the decision to bring or not bring gas to the community

[Ken Winter (ken]

Seven years ago we at Sunward Cohousing replaced our six-burner gas stove
with a GE PHP-960 induction cooktop (see owner's manual, attached).  It has
been great!  It does take a little learning to use it – we wrote up some
"Induction Cooktop Tips" (also attached) and posted them above the stove –
but once you get the hang of it, it's a breeze.

~ Ken Winter
~ Sunward Cohousing, Ann Arbor MI

On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:07 AM Diane <dianeclaire [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Here at Cambridge Cohousing we decided to have one gas range in our common
> kitchen, but only electric in our units.  So far we have had many fire
> drills, but no fires. We are almost 25 years old.
> Diane Margolis
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 7:47 AM Andrew Harvie <withanie [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At Treehouse Village, we were going to install a 36 inch range and 36
> inch
> > vent until we started pricing them.
> > Turns out that it's cheaper to install two 30" ranges and two 30" vents
> > (with enough space between them so that cooks don't collide).
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 6:22 PM Joel Bartlett <altairecovillage [at] 
> > gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > Could you advise us as to the brand and model number of the induction
> > stove
> > > you plan on using?  We want a commercial kitchen; larger scale than
> > > residential.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Joel Bartlett
> > > Project Manager for the Members
> > > Altair EcoVillage
> > > www.altairecovillage.org
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 5:15 AM Jim Snyder-Grant <
> > > jim.snyder.grant [at] gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, avoiding gas is a great win for health and the environment.
> > > > Our commonhouse has two induction stoves (with convection ovens). It
> > does
> > > > everything we need for cooking. Heat is fast and controlled: boiling
> > big
> > > > pots of water is especially great, and keeping things warm.
> > > >
> > > > -Jim, New View Cohousing, Acton MA.
> > > > (I don't usually monitor this list, so contact me directly with
> > > follow-ups)
> > > >
> > > > Jim Snyder-Grant
> > > > (he / him / his) why?
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://assets2.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/TalkingAboutPronouns_onesheet_FINAL.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > 18 Half Moon Hill
> > > > Acton MA 01720
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:21 AM Joanie Connors <jvcphd [at] gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why experts are sounding the alarm about the hidden dangers of gas
> > > stoves
> > > > > By Jonathan Mingle <https://qz.com/author/jonathan-mingle/>
> > > > > December 4, 2020
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://qz.com/1941254/experts-are-sounding-the-alarm-about-the-dangers-of-gas-stoves/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
> > > > >
> > > > > "...While many Americans might think illness linked to indoor
> cooking
> > > and
> > > > > heating is a problem confined to smoke-filled kitchens in the
> > > developing
> > > > > world
> > > > > <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/07/guatemala-cook-stoves/
> > > > > >,
> > > > > the natural gas-burning stoves and furnaces found in millions of US
> > > > > kitchens and basements can produce a range of health-damaging
> > > pollutants,
> > > > > including particulate matter (PM), nitrogen dioxide (NO2), carbon
> > > > monoxide
> > > > > (CO), and formaldehyde. Over the past four decades, researchers
> have
> > > > > amassed a large body of scientific evidence linking the use of gas
> > > > > appliances, especially for cooking, with a higher risk of a range
> of
> > > > > respiratory problems and illnesses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since the publication of two new reports on the subject from the
> > > > nonprofit
> > > > > research group the Rocky Mountain Institute
> > > > > <https://rmi.org/insight/gas-stoves-pollution-health/> (RMI) and
> the
> > > > UCLA
> > > > > Fielding School of Public Health
> > > > > <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://coeh.ph.ucla.edu/effects-residential-gas-appliances-indoor-and-outdoor-air-quality-and-public-health-california
> > > > > >,
> > > > > this past spring, the existence of these gas-fired health hazards
> has
> > > > > garnered increasing
> > > > > <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://grist.org/energy/study-gas-powered-appliances-may-be-hazardous-for-your-health/
> > > > > >
> > > > > media
> > > > > <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602/gas-stove-cooking-indoor-air-pollution-health-risks
> > > > > >
> > > > > scrutiny
> > > > > <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/10/gas-stoves-are-bad-you-and-environment/616700/
> > > > > >.
> > > > > But less discussed has been how the Covid-19 pandemic has
> compounded
> > > the
> > > > > risks of this pollution, especially for low-income and vulnerable
> > > > > populations, and how key regulatory agencies have lagged decades
> > behind
> > > > the
> > > > > science in acting to protect them.
> > > > >
> > > > > “There’s no question this has been a neglected issue,” said Jones,
> > who
> > > > has
> > > > > drawn on lessons from his long career in public health epidemiology
> > and
> > > > > disease prevention in sounding the alarm throughout Massachusetts
> and
> > > > with
> > > > > former CDC colleagues over the past few years. The first step, he
> > said,
> > > > is
> > > > > “letting people know what the risks are—particularly when they can
> be
> > > > > substantial, life-threatening risks that can kill kids.”
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:32 PM Henning Mortensen <
> > > hmortensen [at] gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you for the book report Sharon. I have ordered it from
> amazon
> > > and
> > > > > > look forward to reading it. I am a longtime follower of
> > carfree.com
> > > > (no
> > > > > > longer exists) and the carfree movement. Especially the ideas for
> > car
> > > > > free
> > > > > > cities such as that developed by Joel Crawford.
> > > > > > Henning Mortensen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sharon Villines via Cohousing-L <
> > > > > > cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Jenny Guy <
> > jenstermeister [at] gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here's something else I wonder about: our buildings have been
> > > here
> > > > > for
> > > > > > 80
> > > > > > > > years without air conditioning. [snip] When I was a kid, it
> was
> > > > > > > unthinkable that anyone
> > > > > > > > would have air conditioning in San Francisco, but now it's
> full
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pollution. Air pollution. Noise pollution. Not just from
> > exhausts,
> > > > from
> > > > > > > all the activity that keeps the “cement dust” moving. Changes
> in
> > > > > planting
> > > > > > > for the convenience of cleaners but produce higher pollution.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stuff like that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it also has to do with higher stress levels. Or
> ambition.
> > > We
> > > > > put
> > > > > > > in AC so we can work harder and faster even when it is 100
> > degrees
> > > > out
> > > > > > > there. We don’t have to get up early to avoid the heat. We
> don’t
> > > take
> > > > > > > siestas.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One of the book reports I haven’t written is on “Carjacked: The
> > > > Culture
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the Automobile and Its Effect on Our Lives,” It is cowritten
> by a
> > > > > > professor
> > > > > > > of Anthropology and International Studies at Brown University
> and
> > > her
> > > > > > > analysis is from a totally different direction than we usually
> > > hear.
> > > > > She
> > > > > > > examines how expectations of children have been changed. It
> isn’t
> > > > just
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > cars made more activities available but we expect kids to "take
> > > > > > advantage"
> > > > > > > of all those activities. I used to sit in a big elm tree and
> read
> > > > books
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > hours. How many parents worry about children who don’t have any
> > > > > > > “activities" this week?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carjacked shows how our lives have changed without our being
> > aware
> > > of
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > once we have a car.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sharon
> > > > > > > ———
> > > > > > > Sharon Villines
> > > > > > > http://affordablecohousing.com
> > > > > > > affordablecohousing [at] groups.io
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> Cambridge, MA 02140
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