Intentional Sustainability & Cooperation | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Guy Koehler, Rivendell Ranch (rivendell_ranch![]() |
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:56:12 -0700 (MST) |
I am taking this lull as an opportunity to present my perspective of this conversation. This precis is not intended to be neutral. I have deliberately chosen those points and arranged them, which best fit my argument. ----- Begin PRECIS ----- Tree Bressen (12/24) "further cooperation ...would be of great mutual benefit. There are key institutions in American society that are not meeting people's needs and are in desperate need of reform... Lately I've been asking myself and others how these various resources in the communities movement can be brought together to make a change." David Mandel (12/28) "decommoditization of housing ...Even if people take all your good ideas ...and build cheaply, resale prices will be a function of the market unless kept from becoming so. For real affordability, housing needs to be removed from the world of commodities. Achieving that on a large scale requires a major societal transformation. But there are some ways -- limited equity co-ops, land trusts owned by nonprofits, in which it can conceivably be done now as cohousing (or not)." Sharon Villenes (12/28) "...only buy real estate if it is your home and you want to live there all your life. In that sense a home is always a good investment." (12/29) "One way or another, you have to work with the larger community in your geographic area. ...Who really wants to retire? We want to leave jobs we don't like but the real life is in doing what we love doing. Why would we want to stop? Once you do this you see the rat race of current investment psychology more clearly." Don Arkin (12/29) "...the prevailing American consumer mindset (bigger and more expensive is better?) along with the developer's and contractor's inherent biases towards more expensive projects." ----- End PRECIS ----- ----- Begin RESPONSE ----- After organizing the precis, I went out into the fields covered in snow to throw hay to the sheep, horses and calves. While I was out there, I was thinking about this thread and how my experience the last two and a half years here on the ranch has changed my perspective on ownership, investment, home and community. The livestock are greedy. There is always one leader of each flock, herd which leads the others. That leader is the one who decides where to go eat, when to go and is always the first. I have to separate the feed into several small piles so that the younger and less assertive members get the share they need to get through this bad spell of weather and season. The chickens also come to mind. There is one hen in particular who will chase after each new throw of grain, regardless of the bounty at her feet. She just has to have the newest thrown, and especially what one of the others is eating. She is older and larger, and so often bullies the others out of their share. I throw the grain far enough around so all will get what they need. Humans seem to be the same way, which is not surprising considering that we have evolved from the same environment. The first impulse is to grab the resources we think we require for shelter, food, safety, comfort; for ourselves, our immediate family, extended family, friends; community last. This obsession with things has resulted in an extraordinarily wealthy society; unfortunately, it has been built in great part from the resources of millions of individuals who struggle daily to find enough food. Do I as an American have a responsibility to the world at large? I say yes when my comfort comes from the oil, bananas, coffee, diamonds, gems, cocoa, minerals, rubber, fruit, vegetables, timbers that these other continents and peoples have. Do I as an American have a responsibility to my fellow countrymen? I say yes. We rise or fall together. The plight of my neighbor, is my future. I too worked in white collar America, in SF, LA and Seattle. My income was high, and mostly went to financing my shelter, my immediate monthly food and heat, saving for the future when I would not have to toil for another, and then to my entertainment to make up for being restless doing the things that I needed to do to finance being in the place I was required to be to earn that income. When I turned 40, I started thinking about retirement, and whether I had enough in savings to not have to work in some manual job at 65 to pay the bills. That question, do I have enough to retire led me to the question of what I would be doing in retirement and what those expenses would be. I discovered that I need to be on the land, close to the source of life, creating something sustainable. I want to enjoy each day doing the things I do, rather than suffer through years of toil to eventually find my reward. Mind you, I now work hard than ever before: building fence, caring for livestock, building the income ability of the ranch, building community. Living sustainably within the means of the land I live on. A home that requires an income to pay back the money borrowed to get it, is not sustainable. It is instead, obtaining what one cannot afford. It is risk incarnate. Should your health, job or the economy as a whole fail, your income is at risk, as is your home that you do not own. Consider 1929, the recent stock market and job melt down as examples of such risk. I submit that sustainability is living within my means, growing the food I eat, living well today, saving the bounty of summer for the dark of winter. My home is simple in support of this. Rivendell is in the process of being defined and organized to provide others with the same opportunity. What is community? I submit that community is neighbors living sustainably together; that any model which gathers resources to itself while leaving neighbors to fend for themselves, is unsustainable. In closing, is it things that bring happiness, or is it the people you share them with? If it is the people, then what of those who are fenced out? ----- End RESPONSE ----- ----- Begin Question / Answer ----- Joani Blank (12/28) * How is your 160 acre Ranch currently zoned? How many dwellings are you permitted to build on it, and does it have to be subdivided in a particular way to build the number of homes you desire to build. --=> 5 acre homes, horse boarding, timber, agricultural. 160 / 5 = 32 (per current zoning if subdivided). Homes are not going to be built here using a traditional development model. We are instead discussing how to build a village which incorporates the best of sustainable technology in harmony with the land and ecosystem we are a part of. * Will you have to get variances to do what you want to do? Or get the zoning changed altogether. How flexible are the building codes where you are in relation to infrastructure requirements, building materials and methods, and all the other myriad details that have to be considered in building to meet local codes? --=> Unknown. We are still planning, discussing. I expect that there will be some very interesting conversations with the county zoning folk once the Rivendell Community has reached consensus on the development plan. * I'd like to see some projections in real dollars that show that your members will be able to build their own dwellings at a cost they can afford. Is building green really less expensive than conventional building? I understand it often actually costs more. If your plans include a lot of sweat equity which I believe they do, how can a low income family that needs to hold down one or more full time jobs to support their family, also have the "free time" to build their home. And in order to build up to local code, do you not need a lot of (presumably paid) professional electricians, plumbers, roofers, etc. --=> We're working on those projections and budgets, which are dependent on the plan, design under development. There is building Green, which involves traditional stick development and often costs more than non-Green; and there is building alternatively using Natural Building Materials, such as cob, straw bale, adobe, rammed earth, et al. Rivendell has gardens and livestock for food, timber for heat, and many of the required raw materials to build sustainable alternative housing using Natural Building Materials. The focus is currently on cob. The Community will most likely subsidize a new member with existing shelter, food and heat while that member constructs their own dwelling with assistance from other community members. Once shelter is completed, the new member will turn their attention to their contribution to the community businesses and income. It is our intent to avoid paying outsiders unless they are members of the Community cooperative. We are not interested in funding someone else's unsustainable lifestyle. Your local food coop is a clear example to what we intend with out coop, except that our coop will include food, shelter, heat, etc. * I think that at one point I read that most people who have expressed interest in living in your community up until now are relatively low income folks. Do you imagine that your higher income investor/residents will be essentially subsidizing the lower income residents, not by direct loans or grants to them but by carrying the land or infrastructure costs or the costs of building the common facilities? Again, some real dollar projections would be useful and interesting. --=> No investors will be accepted into Rivendell. It is expected that Community members will be taxed to insure that all have access to the best available health care, child care, education, risk mitigation, vacation, and end of life safety (non-traditional retirement). Land, structures, and "wealth" will not be owned by individuals. It will be held in trust by the current generation for the benefit of all future generations. I too look forward to real dollar projections, which will be forthcoming on the Rivendell web site. "No child left behind" will be a reality here. Guy Koehler Rivendell Ranch Hoquiam, WA 98550 http://www.geocities.com/rivendell_ranch _______________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L
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