Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: Kitchen design Dishwashers

[Dirk Herr-Hoyman (hoymand]

[We'll let you all listen to us, Robin and I are both in Arbco]

Hi Robin-  In my misspent youth, I worked in several restaurants  
doing dishes.
You can really crank on dishes with one of those commercial models.   
I got pretty
good at always keeping the dishwasher running.  My recently, I took a  
turn
at the men's homeless shelter for breakfast, that's down on  
Washington next
to the capital square, and it too had a commercial washer.  Simple,  
fast.
Yes you need a place to spray off the loose food, which is a tad more  
water.
Feeding a 100 is more like working in a commercial kitchen than in  
your home.
I've done dishes by hand for 50ish, which is ok if others are ok with  
it, I
don't see that flying in our case.

Noise is a factor, yes.  A kitchen is gonna have some noise, so I  
think we should
look at how we do noise abatement of the kitchen as a whole and then  
for the washing
of dishes.

Do you have any places to look for commercial stoves in the Madison  
area?
Like used ones...  Or maybe we look down toward Chicago.  Bet we can  
find one
somewhere.

--Dirk

On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:46 PM, Alexander Robin A wrote:

> At Eno Commons cohousing, where I used to live, we had a commercial  
> dishwasher in the kitchen. It was well placed to facilitate loading  
> from the sink area and unloading on a part of the counter. I  
> thought it worked excellently for them and I never heard any  
> complaints about it from any cleanup crew (except perhaps the  
> noise). It had several benefits: cleanup of dishes went fast,  
> everything, including large pots, could be sterilized and when  
> cleanup was over everything was all set for the next meal. A home  
> style unit cannot accommodate large pots and they are difficult to  
> clean thoroughly by hand.
>
> True, the dishes have to be pretty food free when loaded but  
> soaking and spraying took care of that pretty well. From all the  
> pro and con I've been hearing and my two experiences with  
> commercial and several with residential dishwashers, I guess I'm  
> still leaning to commercial if the noise issue can be solved.
>
> Robin Alexander
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Casey Morrigan [mailto:cjmorr [at] pacbell.net]
> Sent: Fri 12/8/2006 9:16 AM
> To: 'Cohousing-L'
> Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Kitchen design Dishwashers
>
>
>
> I know this has been covered before in Coho-L, so a check of the  
> archives is
> in order.
>
> For the commercial style in which you load and reload constantly  
> for a short
> cycle, you need enough room to deal with the racks and the  
> dripping. And
> people with good backs to heft the racks in and out. However, you  
> can be
> done with the dishes in a short time. Residential dishwashers keep  
> things
> lots simpler.
>
> We have a commercial Bosch washer in our Common House. Big mistake  
> (I voted
> - rather, consensed - to buy it too.  D'oh!!) . It doesn't have a food
> grinder, which most residential brands have, and it regularly gets  
> backed up
> as a result. It is also finicky and we have to wash all food  
> particles off
> before the dishes go in or else they get distributed around and  
> baked on to
> the dishes. It does sterilize the dishes.  But...having lived with  
> it for
> several years, I wish we had a plain old residential washer.  Our  
> CH galley
> kitchen is too small to handle the racks and loads from a quick-cycle
> commercial washer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Robin A [mailto:alexande.robi [at] uwlax.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:51 PM
> To: Cohousing-L
> Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Kitchen design Dishwashers
>
> Wouldn't mind seeing those myself. What about the hour long cycle  
> time on
> the home-style vs. 3 min on the commercial? With several loads,  
> would take a
> long time with home styles.
>
> Robin Alexander
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Ruth Hirsch [mailto:heidinys [at] earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thu 12/7/2006 8:35 PM
> To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
> Subject: [C-L]_ Kitchen design Dishwashers
>
>
>
> Dear Judy,
>
> Am sending you a compilation of emails I've found in the CoHo  
> archives on
> dishwashers.
> I'd support going with two home-style ones.
> Much better ecologically, as Consumer Reports says dishes do not  
> need to be
> pre-rinsed.  With coimmercial type, pre-rinsing is needed...
> wastes lots of water.  One of many reasons to choose homestyle.
>
> best,
> Ruth J . Hirsch
> Cantines Island CoHo
> Ulster County, NY
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Dirk Herr-Hoyman
Member of Arboretum Cohousing
Madison, WI
http://arboretumcohousing.org