Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: (From Liz Stevenson) [C-L]_refrigerators redux

[mabel (mabel]

Liz and Joani,

I assume that since you posted to the whole list, that I can forward your
comments to the folks who are working on this problem?

It's interesting.  Our architect is supposed to be "very good with
interiors".  And the kitchens were actually largely designed by one of his
associates, who IS a female.

It's not clear to me that it's shutting the barn door; the units haven't
been closed on yet.  We're the developer, so it's tricky financially, but
we're certainly going to be seeing what kind of architectural/construction
solutions can be proposed.

                                        -- Mabel :-)

Mabel Liang
mabel [at] twomeeps.com
Cornerstone Village Cohousing
North Cambridge, MA
www.cscoho.org

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Elizabeth Stevenson wrote:

> I was going to write that it was an architect problem, and not a
> refrigerator problem, but it seemed to be shutting the barn door after the
> horses got out, so I deleted it.
>
> But it does bring up a point, doesn't it? I think it would behoove groups to
> have a kitchen designer help them when it gets to that point in the process.
> I think there is a real lack of knowledge about kitchen design in cohousing
> homes, from what I've heard over the years. We have special needs, since our
> kitchens tend to be more compact than regular homes. We, too have an oven
> door/dishwasher problem, amongst many other problems in the kitchens, which
> could have been averted with better planning.
>
> Our architect got several awards for the design of this place, but the
> kitchens could be lots better. I think this being a traditional female
> territory, they just don't really care, architecture still being a
> male-dominated profession.
>
>
> --
> Liz Stevenson
> Southside Park Cohousing
> Sacramento California
>
> http://members.home.net/southsideparkcohousing/
> tamgoddess [at] home.com
>
> > From: Joani Blank <joani [at] swansway.com>
> > Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
> > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:51:57 -0800
> > To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
> > Subject: [C-L]_refrigerators redux
> >
> > At 12:01 PM 11/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >> The problem isn't the fridge sticking out beyond the counter per se.  The
> >> problem is that our architect doesn't seem to have designed with this
> >> depth refrigerator in mind.  There are units where you can't open the
> >> dishwasher or you hit the cabinets on the opposite side of a U when you
> >> open the refrigerator door.  And one person in a wheelchair can't get her
> >> fridge door open even with a side-by-side refrigerator.
> >
> > Ooops. That is a problem. When I moved into Doyle Street, I couldn't open
> > my oven door because it banged into the closed dishwasher door handle. An
> > architect would never design a door between rooms so it couldn't open.
> > You'd think they'd have the same sort of sensibility about clearance for
> > the doors of standard size kitchen appliances.
> >
> > Joani
> >
> >
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