Re: Giving or Taking | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Diane R. Margolis (diane![]() |
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:36:27 -0600 (MDT) |
We are non-parents, most of whose property taxes goes to pay for the local public school system. While I believe that having an educated populace is a benefit to the whole society, parents or not, it still irks me to have to pay ever-increasing taxes for other people's kids to go to school. People who have 4 or 6 or 8 kids expect everyone else, including non-parents and parents of smaller families, to pay for their kids' education for 13 years. In fact, I pay a disproportionate share of school taxes, since I have no kids and can afford a large house on a lot of land ----- Original Message ----- From: "Molly Williams" <mmw [at] waveinter.com> To: <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [C-L]_Giving or Taking __________ Let's see, Molly. They have more children, but you have more land and you think they should pay more for education. Then I guess you should pay more for the defense of your larger land holdings. And, being wealthier, I guess you travel more and should pay for the construction and maintenance of roads. And how about protection of the banking system that keeps your money well regulated? Oh, and what about all the trade agreements that protect your wealth? Or your right to buy a disproportionate share of the earth's resources? How about the state and federal parks? Do you ever visit them. I don't know about your neighbors in Maine, but poor urban kids hardly ever get to them. Seems to me that we pay taxes because we wish to live in a certain kind of society, one where there is freedom -- of expression and to own land, for sure, but also the freedoms from -- want and fear, for starters. I'd think you'd want to have those neighbor kids educated (as a right, not a gift) because you would want them to share in the values and opportunities that have given you that large house on a lot of land. Seems to me also that you might also wish to have a floor below which no American child can fall, one adequate to prepare each child to lead a healthy life with hopes of enjoying the benefits of Democracy. I think you might wish this because it will be the only way to preserve your "right" to that large house on a lot of land. You may think you "earned" it, but your "right" to possess in relative peace is based on the general agreement that land may be bought and sold -- an absurd, unthoughr of idea for most of the time humans inhabited this earth. Frankly, I think the children's right to an education is a higher order right than yours to land because your right to land depends on their being taught about the way markets, and other forms of distribution, work. It's those other forms of distribution and production of goods and services that we don't think about very often because they don't get much press. I've been thinking about them for a long time and I think a better understanding of how they work and how we use them in our lives might save us a lot of confusion. Here's a brief summary of the market and other forms of distribution MARKET EXCHANGE: sometimes called "free enterprise" and often the only economic system we think we use, but one that accounts for a small proportion of the goods and services we exchange. Its rights include exclusive rights to land and other things we can buy, but never at any price to the Brooklyn bridge, or love, or anything else the song writer had in mind when writing "the best things in life are free." Actually they are very expensive, it's just that you can't buy them. RECRIPROCITY AND GIFT EXCHANGE: This includes many forms of exchange of goods and services, itis based on particular human relationships. Some are equal, as the relationship and exchanges among friends. Most are hierarchical such as the relationships within families. Then it is fairly specific about the goods and services people occupying certain statuses are expected to perform. For example, parents care for children and children obey parents (or at least that's the way it's supposed to work). The reason this won't work instead of taxes is that it depends on hierarchy and knowing who belongs in which predefined station. We are all equal as citizens but in reciprocity we give and get different things according to out station-- the lord gives protection the serf gives fealty and work; everyone knows his/her place. This was and still is the chief means by which all societies exchange of goods and services. It is an excellent way of socially organizing the differences among us -- old/young; strong/weak; healthy/sick, etc. But it didn't work as a complete system when we introduced market exchange because, in addition to its hierarchical nature (markets require level playing fields) its obligations precluded market involvement. It's a complex system with myriad variations. People, besides me, have written books on this. I'll stop here. POOLING: This is where citizenship and taxes come in. Unlike charity (a form of reciprocity) givers and receivers are faceless, unidenitfied. Taxes are like rain falling into a pond. The pond is our way of life, our freedoms, our parks, our Brooklyn Bridge, our roads, our schools, our safe water supply, our defense system, etc. Its probably as old as Reciprocity, but its modern form (the nation) was invented so that the free enterprise system could work. Eventally we will learn that world-wide markets require world-wide pooling of some things. Care for the ecology of the planet is one example. (For a much longer version see "The Fabric of Self" Yale U. Press 1998) Defense of our mixed economy, our system of life depends primarily on non-market economies. We enjoy (or enjoyed) peace and security, not primarily because we pay for a big military system, but because most of the rest of the world agrees that we should. Safety depends on consensus about basic rights. If September 11th does not teach us that much, I fear the world will become a playground for terrorists. The Taliban wish us to revert to a hierarchical gift exchange system -- that's what their repression of women is all about. The wish that people with large families return gratitude for their children's education is a form of the gift exchange system. We can, and will argue about which goods and services should be exchanged according to each of these systems, that's what elections are all about. I think, though, that it would help to be aware of these systems and know which works best for what good or service. Cohousing is an amazing experiment in mixing these many economic forms in a new way. As a sociologist, I watch with amazement and delight, as we create this new social structure with our discussions, our consensus, our disagreements, and our trials of different ways of doing things. We are a wonderfully inventive species. If this sounds too much like a lecture, forgive me. Oh, and about child care: After one meeting at which we did not achieve consensus, we all thought long and hard and decided a few meetings later that, because we wanted children in our community, we would all pay equally for child care. Diane at Cambridge Cohousing. _______________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/cohousing-l
- Taxes and the Common Good, (continued)
- Taxes and the Common Good Rowenahc, October 2 2001
- Re: Taxes and the Common Good Rosa Leah, October 2 2001
- Re: Taxes and the Common Good Molly Williams, October 2 2001
- Re: Taxes and the Common Good Molly Williams, October 2 2001
- Re: Giving or Taking Diane R. Margolis, October 2 2001
- Re: Giving or Taking Rosa Leah, October 2 2001
- Re: Giving or Taking Molly Williams, October 2 2001
- RE: Giving or Taking Alison Truesdale, October 2 2001
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