Is mental illness the issue? | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Racheli Gai (racheli![]() |
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:26:02 -0600 (MDT) |
These are somewhat-meandering reflections, which I hope would make sense to some other than myself... My feeling is that most people who cause problems when groups try to work cooperatively are not mentally ill. In fact, they are often the most NORMAL people, in terms of mainstream values: Wanting to be in control; being highly competitive; seeing things along the duality of being either RIGHT or WRONG (and if you're wrong, then you're bad or stupid or...) is what we are taught all along the way. (Most kids are raised within very hierarchical structures; schools are inherently hierarchical by their very nature; and so on). When we attempt to work by using consensus - another set of values is implied: The equal value (in principle)of all participants; "truth" as being a result of synthesizing many (often conflicting) points of view; the necessity to work on shedding judgmental and defensive attitudes; the necessity to work hard on resolving conflicts (instead of enclosing oneself in a protective shell of self righteousness), and so on - these are hard (almost unnatural!) attitudes to come by. Even once we know *intellectually* that these are good things (and I don't know that everyone really accepts it), to actually internalize them to the point that they become habits is a life-long learning process (at least it is for me). I also suspect that many people who hold regular jobs in the "real" world, are required to exhibit different behavior (and get positive feedback) for the exact things which are seen as a problem when you work cooperatively... [Since I have a Freudian-influenced outlook on things (no, I don't buy *all* of what Freud said! :)), my suspicion is that those who are very sensitive, and who grew in families where diversity/different opinions were least allowed (ie: where someone, naturally not the child, layed down the law) are often likely to have a hard time being flexible, and giving up on control. But this, in and of itself, doesn't consist mental illness]. R. Liz wrote: >I guess I should have been more clear. If the mental illness is something >that the person is not willing to address, and it interferes with the >ability of a group to function, then it is not within the group's ability >or responsibility to cure that person. Plenty of mentally ill people live >in cohousing, as they exist in all aspects of life. But if that illness >prevents a group from getting built, what is the point of having that >person in the group? >WE can argue semantics or labels or this or that, but the basic fact is >that cohousing is not going to "fix" people, and plenty of well-meaning >people have seen their groups go down in flames in the name of >inclusiveness, when they should have set boundaries instead. >This is not to say that there isn't a place for helping a member to >understand and fit in when they might not be comfortable with or >understand consensus. As far as I know, all groups have had to really >work at that in the beginning. But we're talking about someone who isn't >even functioning, as far as I can tell from the post. ----------------------------------------------------------- racheli [at] sonoracohousing.com (Racheli Gai) ----------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L
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