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From: sbraun (sbraungmavt.net) | |
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:54:01 -0700 (MST) |
Racheli wrote: "Because I spent part of my childhood in a society which attempted to create "monoculture" (the Israeli kibbutz in the 50's)...." I should also confess to the same thing. I was brought up Mennonite. I loved it...and it had its problems. I would like to duplicate my childhood without the monotony of ideas that squeezes out (covertly) those who are different. Sheila > -----Original Message----- > From: cohousing-l-admin [at] cohousing.org [mailto:cohousing-l- > admin [at] cohousing.org] On Behalf Of racheli [at] sonoracohousing.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:19 PM > To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org > Subject: Re: [C-L]_RE: fifty plus cohousing > > > >From Racheli. > > Hi TR. > I'm the one who wrote it, so I'd respond. > > >When I read these comments I am struck by what seems to be an implicit > >assumption: > > >> >I would also say that for me, personally, there is something very > >> >disturbing in the fact that people want to remove themselves from any > >> >segment of the population, which seems to be a growing movement in > >> >American life. For people to want to make sure that there are no old > >> >people around would be just as disturbing. > > > >The assumption (or is it an assertion) is that everyone must live in > >close proximity with all kinds of people, or else confess to having > >prejudicial tendencies toward "removing a segment of the population" from > >their lives as a whole. > > NO. What I said is that I, personally, find it disturbing. I did not say > that anyone who does it must "confess to anything", or *necessarily* have > prejudicial tendencies. I think some of the time this is where it comes > from, but I haven't generalized. > Because I spent part of my childhood in a society which attempted to > create "monoculture" (the Israeli kibbutz in the 50's), I guess I have an > aversion to that. This doesn't imply that people don't have a right to > live in less diversified communities. They have a right to it, just as I > have a right to my opinions about it. > Looking at people who grew up in kibbutzim, I've noticed a prevalence of > certain attitudes which I don't like, and which (in my opinion) are a > result of the removal from diversity. This isn't the place to get into > this in detail, but that too has contributed to my feelings that diversity > does something positive for people, and lack of it does something I > dislike. > [This doesn't mean that each and every individual turns out to be a > certain way, it's a statistical thing. I still think one should judge > others on their individual merits (or lackthereof), and not jump to > conclusion because of where they grew up, etc.] > > > >I don't see any reason to make that assumption in all cases. A person > >who (using current example) doesn't want to live with children has not > >necessarily removed that segment of the population entirely. Children > >might be a big part of that person's life--just not someone that the > >person wants to live at close quarters constantly. > > I see what you're saying, but just let me tell you that in many cultures > the possibility of living without kids around wouldn't even occur to > anyone - kids are such an integral part of life... (the same goes for > other age groups). My point is that the wish to be away is based on a > whole lot of cultural assumptions that are fairly unique to this society > (but which are probably fast spreading). While I understand the > convenience, I'm afraid that there are deeper, not very positive, > implications. > > > >I don't believe it's defensible to bar people from cohousing for many > >reasons, but children do imply a particular living environment that, > >frankly, is irritating to some (not me, I have six--not all biological). > >Well, I would want my community to have a fair population of > >children--others might not. To me, diversity does not mean that we can't > >choose our living environment in terms of noise, space allocation, safety > >considerations, responsibility, and all the other burdens that children > >bring. > > I thought I said that if people see kids as burden, then I can understand > why they'd like to go elsewhere, and I support them. [Which isn't the same > as agreeing with their feelings as such]. > > I hope I've clarified, at least in some small way, what I > actually mean :) > > racheli [at] sonoracohousing.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list > Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L
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- Re: Fifty Plus Cohousing, (continued)
- Re: Fifty Plus Cohousing Dahako, February 19 2003
- Re: Fifty Plus Cohousing Raines Cohen, February 19 2003
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RE: fifty plus cohousing TR Ruddick, February 19 2003
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Re: RE: fifty plus cohousing racheli, February 19 2003
- Monoculture sbraun, February 20 2003
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Re: RE: fifty plus cohousing racheli, February 19 2003
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Discrimination (for any reason) sbraun, February 19 2003
- Cohousing Principles and the Contradictions of Practice Greg Dunn, February 19 2003
- Re: Cohousing Principles and the Contradictions of Practice Sara A., February 19 2003
- Re: Cohousing Principles and the Contradictions of Practice Art Gorski, February 20 2003
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